Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/03/2006 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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09:05:54 AM SB305
11:14:03 AM Adjourn
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     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 305(RES)                                                                                            
     "An  Act providing  for  a  production tax  on  oil and  gas;                                                              
     repealing  the  oil  and  gas   production  (severance)  tax;                                                              
     relating to the  calculation of the gross value  at the point                                                              
     of production of  oil or gas and to the  determination of the                                                              
     value of  oil and gas for  purposes of the production  tax on                                                              
     oil and  gas; providing for  tax credits against the  tax for                                                              
     certain   expenditures   and    losses;   relating   to   the                                                              
     relationship of  the production tax  on oil and gas  to other                                                              
     taxes,  to the dates  those tax  payments and surcharges  are                                                              
     due,  to interest  on overpayments  of  the tax,  and to  the                                                              
     treatment  of the  tax in  a producer's  settlement with  the                                                              
     royalty owners;  relating to flared  gas, and to oil  and gas                                                              
     used  in the  operation  of  a lease  or  property under  the                                                              
     production tax;  relating to the  prevailing value of  oil or                                                              
     gas  under the  production  tax;  relating to  surcharges  on                                                              
     oil;  relating to  statements or  other information  required                                                              
     to be filed  with or furnished to the Department  of Revenue,                                                              
     to the  penalty for failure  to file certain reports  for the                                                              
     tax, to the  powers of the Department of Revenue,  and to the                                                              
     disclosure  of certain information  required to  be furnished                                                              
     to   the  Department   of  Revenue   as  applicable   to  the                                                              
     administration  of the  tax; relating  to criminal  penalties                                                              
     for  violating  conditions governing  access  to  and use  of                                                              
     confidential  information relating  to  the tax,  and to  the                                                              
     deposit  of   tax  money  collected  by  the   Department  of                                                              
     Revenue;  amending  the  definitions  of  'gas,'  'oil,'  and                                                              
     certain other  terms for purposes of the production  tax, and                                                              
     as the  definition of  the term 'gas'  applies in  the Alaska                                                              
     Stranded   Gas   Development    Act,   and   adding   further                                                              
     definitions;  making  conforming  amendments;  and  providing                                                              
     for an effective date."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the third hearing  for this bill  in the  Senate Finance                                                              
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                         CSSB 305(RES):                                                                                         
                     The Rest of the Story                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAN  DICKINSON, CPA,  Consultant to  the Office  of the  Governor,                                                              
noted  that  the  Committee's  first two  hearings  on  this  bill                                                              
focused on the  key elements of the proposed  Petroleum Production                                                              
Tax (PPT). Today's  "The Rest of the Story" presentation  [copy on                                                              
file] would focus on the relatively "minor" issues" in the bill.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  communicated  that   this  presentation  would  be                                                              
followed by  a discussion comparing  the provisions of  the Senate                                                              
Resources  committee  substitute   (CSSB  305)  to  those  of  the                                                              
Governor's  bill  (SB  305)  and   the  House  of  Representatives                                                              
Resources committee substitute, CSHB 488(RES).                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:05:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  MINTZ,  Assistant  Attorney  General, Oil,  Gas  &  Mining                                                              
Section, Department  of Law testified  via teleconference  from an                                                              
offnet  location.  The  "miscellaneous  provisions"  addressed  in                                                              
this presentation  could be categorized into two  types. The first                                                              
being  "improvements   or  corrections  or  updates"   to  current                                                              
production  tax statutes,  and the  second  being elements,  which                                                              
while not being "core points" of the bill, should be discussed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  communicated that  rather than  "the logical  approach"                                                              
taken  in the  discussions of  the key  elements of  the PPT,  the                                                              
provisions  discussed  today  would   be  addressed  in  numerical                                                              
section order.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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     Sections 1 & 11                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · Clarify AS 43.55.020 (f) to reflect consistent                                                                        
          department interpretation, upheld in formal hearing                                                                   
          decision in 1996                                                                                                      
        · Prevailing Value is used to set a taxable value for                                                                   
          internally refined barrels                                                                                            
        · May be moot for a taxpayer using "DNR" or formulaic                                                                   
          valuation                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  noted that Sections  1 and 11  of CSSB 305  would amend                                                              
AS 43.55.020(f)  to include legislative intent,  "recognizing this                                                              
is not actually intended  to be a change in the  law, but simply a                                                              
confirmation  and  clarification   of  the  law"  as  historically                                                              
interpreted  by the Department  of Revenue.  These sections  would                                                              
affirm the  Department's interpretation  of "the valuation  of oil                                                              
and  gas where  either  the selling  price  is  not reflective  of                                                              
market  conditions or  where there  is no  actual sale".  Previous                                                              
controversy  in this  issue  had  been resolved  in  favor of  the                                                              
Department. There is currently no controversy in this regard.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz exampled  a  situation to  which  this provision  would                                                              
apply:  "a  producer in  an  integrated  company that  instead  of                                                              
selling  oil to someone  else, internally  refines  it in  its own                                                              
refineries; there is  no real sale price to use to  value the oil.                                                              
Thus, the Department  of Revenue would determine the  value of the                                                              
oil based  on "prevailing values".  Taxes would be levied  on that                                                              
basis. While there  was no continuing controversy  in this regard,                                                              
the  effort was  to  confirm  the use  of  this practice  as  "the                                                              
appropriate interpretation of the law".                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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     Sections 2 & 17                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · Amends current statute (AS 43.05.230 and 43.55.040) to                                                                
          clarify rules for using one taxpayer's information to                                                                 
          determine another taxpayers tax                                                                                       
        · Generally limited to Prevailing value calculation,                                                                    
          which may be moot for taxpayer electing alternative                                                                   
          valuation formula                                                                                                     
        · Taxpayer recipients of information are brought under                                                                  
          confidentiality provisions of AS 43.05.230                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz expressed  that the  explanation of  this language  was                                                              
"longer  than its  importance"  since  the issue  being  addressed                                                              
does not often  arise. The Prevailing Market Value  (PMV) is where                                                              
"the Department would  calculate what oil and gas is  worth in the                                                              
market, and  tax the  taxpayer on  that basis".  In order  to make                                                              
this determination,  the  Department might  be required to  gather                                                              
transaction  information  such  as  transportation  costs  from  a                                                              
variety of taxpayers.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  stated that  a taxpayer paying  under the  PMV scenario                                                              
might request  to know the  basis of the  assigned value,  and "in                                                              
fairness", it would  be necessary to provide that  taxpayer access                                                              
to  "certain  information subject  to  appropriate  confidentially                                                              
protections"; specifically  when one taxpayer's  PMV determination                                                              
depended  on   information  from   other  taxpayers.   Thus,  this                                                              
language  would affirm  that the  Department  could disclose  that                                                              
information  provided  that  disclosure   adhered  to  appropriate                                                              
conditions preserving the confidentially of the information.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz noted  that this  language would  also apply  "existing                                                              
criminal penalties  for violating  confidentiality to  the persons                                                              
associated"  with  the  taxpayer granted  access  to  confidential                                                              
information.  Currently   such  penalties  only  apply   to  State                                                              
employees  and  officers;  this  would  expand  the  penalties  to                                                              
private individuals.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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     Sections 3 & 4                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        · Clarify state income tax code that production tax is                                                                  
         not a tax "based on or measured by net income"                                                                         
        · Ensures that the PPT is deductible for state income                                                                   
          tax purposes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  communicated that this  language would  clarify, rather                                                              
than change,  existing law  allowing production  taxes on  oil and                                                              
gas to  be deductible when  calculating income taxes.  Concern had                                                              
been  raised regarding  whether  Alaska  or another  state  "might                                                              
interpret the  new tax differently because  the tax is  on the net                                                              
value  rather  than  the  gross  value".  These  provisions  would                                                              
clarify "the  general rule  that production  taxes are  deductible                                                              
for income tax purposes".                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 6                                                                                                                  
        · Amends AS 43.55.017 (a) to conform language to the                                                                    
          Internal Revenue Code provision to which it refers                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz  noted that  a  law regarding  tangible  billing  costs                                                              
currently existed  in the federal  Internal Revenue  Code. Section                                                              
6  was  a  technical  amendment  which  would  "conform"  existing                                                              
statutory language to that Code.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:12:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Stedman  asked   whether  Mr.   Mintz's  references   to                                                              
amendments meant  that an amendment  would be forthcoming  or that                                                              
the language was already included in the bill.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz clarified  that  the  amendments being  discussed  were                                                              
included in the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson interjected  to clarify  that  the Section  numbers                                                              
referenced  in the  presentation  pertain  to provisions  in  CSSB
305(RES), Version 24-GS2052\C.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman expressed  that the intent of his  question was to                                                              
clarify  that  the  language  being   discussed  was  included  in                                                              
Version "C".                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  affirmed. The purpose  of this presentation  was to                                                              
explain  the  affect  of  language   included  in  CSSB  305(RES),                                                              
referred to in this presentation as CSSB 305.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:14:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz reiterated  that  any  amendment being  referenced  was                                                              
embodied in CSSB 305.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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     Sections 9, 19, 20                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Conforming   amendments   for    language   consistency   and                                                              
     modernization.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     [NOTE: The reference to Section 9 is incorrect. The correct                                                                
     section is Section 8.]                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  pointed out that the  current State production  tax law                                                              
applied  a  separate  tax  on oil  and  gas.  The  production  tax                                                              
proposed in  the PPT would  apply "a single  tax" to both  oil and                                                              
gas. Thus, the purpose  of the language in Sections  8, 19, and 20                                                              
would be to replace  the word "or" with "and" where  applicable in                                                              
this regard.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Sections 10, 24, 26                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · Repeals and Reenacts AS 43.55.020 (e)                                                                                 
        · Simplifies three tiered system where flared gas was                                                                   
          either tax free, taxed, or subject to tax and a                                                                       
          penalty.                                                                                                              
        · Now gas and oil are not taxed or subject to                                                                         
          conservation surcharges if used for necessary lease                                                                   
          operations.  (If AOGCC determines they have been                                                                      
          wasted, then they are taxed.)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz  stated  that this  language  would  simplify  existing                                                              
production tax  provisions relating to  "flared gas" which  is gas                                                              
"released, burned,  or otherwise  vented" and  gas or oil  used in                                                              
the  production process,  such as  gas or  oil burned  as fuel  or                                                              
"gas that is re-injected for pressure maintenance".                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz stated  that  existing  production tax  law  recognized                                                              
three  categories  of  flared  gas:  flared  gas  "authorized  for                                                              
safety  purposes   by  the   Alaska  Oil   and  Gas   Conservation                                                              
Commission" (AOGCC)  was not subject to the production  tax; waste                                                              
flared gas was  subject to the tax  as well as a penalty  equal to                                                              
the amount  of the  tax; and  flared gas  authorized by  AOGCC for                                                              
something other  than safety  purposes was  subject solely  to the                                                              
tax. The  PPT would  condense the three  categories into  two: any                                                              
flared gas  authorized by AOGCC would  be exempt from the  tax and                                                              
flared gas not  authorized by AOGCC would be  taxable. The penalty                                                              
currently assessed  on waste gas  was eliminated  in consideration                                                              
of  the  fact that  AOGCC  would  continue  to levy  its  separate                                                              
penalty  on  it.  Their  penalty   was  higher  than  the  penalty                                                              
currently levied by the Department of Revenue.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:16:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  stated that  the PPT  would also  expand the  provision                                                              
exempting  the   tax  on  "gas   used  in  lease   operations  for                                                              
production" to also  exempt oil used in that manner.  This oil and                                                              
gas would also be exempt from conservation surcharges.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 14 and 15                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        · Conforming changes to 43.55.030(a) (dealing with tax                                                                  
          returns)                                                                                                              
        · Gross/net, and/or, simplified reporting                                                                               
        · Repeals the $25 a day filing penalty which predated                                                                   
          the 43.05 civil penalties                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz categorized  the  language  in Sections  14  and 15  as                                                              
conforming changes.  The PPT would require  additional information                                                              
in tax  returns; specifically in  regard to lease  expenditures as                                                              
"that would  be a major new  deduction". In addition, the  $25 per                                                              
day  late filing  penalty  would be  repealed  as current  State's                                                              
revenue  statutes apply  stiffer  penalties to  both late  filings                                                              
and late taxes.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  recalled a situation  in which  the filings of  a small                                                              
producer  who owned a  minuscule amount  of production  internally                                                              
"fell through the  cracks". The $25 per day late  filing penalties                                                              
"cascaded … into many times the tax due".                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:19:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz  stated  that  since   the  Department  of  Revenue  is                                                              
provided   "limited   discretion"   in  terms   of   "compromising                                                              
penalties",   a  question   of   "fairness  and   proportionality"                                                              
sometimes arose.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson also  shared a situation in Cook Inlet  in which, as                                                              
the  result  of a  number  of  equity trades,  a  producer  became                                                              
unknowingly responsible  for the  filing due  on "a fraction  of a                                                              
percentage  in  a  lease".  Four years  later  when  the  producer                                                              
became  aware  of the  situation,  the  $25  per day  late  filing                                                              
penalty generated  a total penalty  exceeding one  million dollars                                                              
on  a  tax  liability  of  approximately   $100.  Such  situations                                                              
attributed to  the decision  to eliminate the  $25 a  day penalty.                                                              
"This was a superfluous situation which led to bizarre results".                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:20:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 18                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Amends AS 43.55.080                                                                                                        
        · Conforms statute to constitution                                                                                      
        · Namely:  recognizes that money from resolved disputes                                                                 
          goes into Budget Reserve Fund and not into the general                                                                
          fund                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz communicated  that AS 43.55.080 allowed  money resulting                                                              
from oil  tax disputes  to be deposited  into the State's  general                                                              
fund. Amending  this statute, which  predated the adoption  of the                                                              
[Constitutional]   Budget  Reserve   Fund  (CBR)  amendment   that                                                              
required  certain revenues  resulting from  the resolution  of tax                                                              
disputes to be  deposited into the CBR, would  conform the Statute                                                              
to the State's Constitution.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Sections 27, 29                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · New definition of "gas"                                                                                               
        · Point of production moved downstream                                                                                  
        · Gas processing now included in Upstream                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        · New definition of "oil"                                                                                               
        · Liquid hydrocarbons recovered by mechanical separation                                                                
          or gas processing                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:21:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  reiterated that  the definition of  gross value  at the                                                              
point of  production would  change under  the proposed  PPT. While                                                              
the  point  of  production  for   oil  "would  not  be  materially                                                              
changed", the  point of production  for gas would  move downstream                                                              
of its current  location. In addition, the definitions  of gas and                                                              
oil  would  be  changed.  This  "common  sense  approach"  to  the                                                              
definitions would  consider "anything that  is in a  gaseous phase                                                              
at the  end of  the production  process" to  be gas and  "anything                                                              
that is in a liquid phase" would be considered oil.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 28                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Redefine "gross value at the point of production"                                                                     
        · Oil pt.-of-prod. definition essentially unchanged (but                                                                
          if there is gas processing, the pt.-of-prod. for                                                                      
         extracted liquids is downstream of processing)                                                                         
        · Gas pt.-of-prod. is downstream of any gas processing                                                                  
        · If there is a combined processing / treatment plant                                                                   
          facility, pt.-of-prod. is further upstream point where                                                                
          processing ends or treatment begins                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  stated that  under current  Statutes, "gas  processing,                                                              
which  is the  extraction  of  liquid  hydrocarbons from  gas,  is                                                              
considered  downstream from  the point of  production". Under  the                                                              
PPT,  gas  processing   would  be  upstream  from   the  point  of                                                              
production.  Furthermore,  certain liquid  hydrocarbons  extracted                                                              
during   gas  processing   are   considered   gas  under   current                                                              
production  tax statutes;  however, they  would be considered  oil                                                              
under the definitions of the PPT.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:22:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz  stressed  that  there  was  an  important  distinction                                                              
between gas  processing and  gas treatment.  While gas  processing                                                              
was the  extraction of liquid  hydrocarbons, gas  treatment, which                                                              
was  "associated  with  the  gas   transportation  process,  would                                                              
involve  extracting  non-hydrocarbon  components  such  as  carbon                                                              
dioxide  and conditioning  gas to  make it  suitable for  pipeline                                                              
transportation". In  addition, gas processing would  be considered                                                              
upstream of the  point of production while gas  treatment would be                                                              
considered downstream of the point of production                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz  stated   that  Section  28  would   also  address  the                                                              
situation  in which  an  integrated  facility conducted  both  gas                                                              
processing  and gas  treatment. The  point of  production for  gas                                                              
would be considered upstream of gas treatment.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  advanced the  presentation  to  page 14,  as  that                                                              
schematic would  assist in understanding  the point  of production                                                              
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     [This chart depicted a schematic pertaining to the Point of                                                                
     Production process for oil and two schematics applicable to                                                                
     the Point of Production process for gas.]                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:24:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  reviewed the current  point of production  process.                                                              
The point at  which well fluids were mechanically  separated would                                                              
be considered  the  point of production  for  the majority  of oil                                                              
and gas. The  point of production  for oil was the place  at which                                                              
it  is "metered  and measured  and placed  in a  sales line".  The                                                              
point  of production  for gas,  were  "a simple  lease" in  place,                                                              
would mirror that of oil.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  communicated,  however,  that the  fluids  on  the                                                              
North   Slope  tend   to  consist   of  "a   gaseous  mixture   of                                                              
hydrocarbons" which,  could not be  defined as either oil  or gas.                                                              
In Prudhoe  Bay that fluid would  be transported to a  central gas                                                              
facility which  is "a gas  processing plant where  valuable liquid                                                              
hydrocarbons are removed".                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson communicated  that under  current definitions,  the                                                              
stream  of   approximately   45,000  barrels   a  day  of   liquid                                                              
hydrocarbons  emitting  from the  central  gas facility  would  be                                                              
transported  via  the Trans  Alaska  Pipeline Service  (TAPS)  and                                                              
"for  all intensive  purposes sold  as  oil downstream".  However,                                                              
"for tax  purposes", that  material would be  treated "as  if they                                                              
were gas".                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  estimated that approximately  eight percent  of the                                                              
fluid  moving through  TAPS was  gas  not oil.  Under the  revised                                                              
definitions of  gas and oil in  the PPT, any  material transported                                                              
via TAPS would be recognized as oil.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson stated  that,  under the  PPT,  the gas  processing                                                              
plant would  be moved upstream of  the point of  production rather                                                              
than  downstream   as  is  currently  the  case.   Gas  processing                                                              
expenses  would qualify as  a credit  in addition  to being  a tax                                                              
deduction under the PPT.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  stated that the credits  allowed by moving  the gas                                                              
processing  plant  upstream  of  the  point  of  production  would                                                              
increase  a  small  producer  or explorer's  ability  to  build  a                                                              
plant. "This may  change the dynamic of the  negotiations". Rather                                                              
than  the end  result  being  "a dozen  half  empty  or half  used                                                              
processing  plants in  the North  Slope", it  is anticipated  that                                                              
this  scenario  would  improve   a  small  producer's  negotiating                                                              
position with a producer who currently has a facility.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:27:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  suggested  that  the  gas  processing  schematic                                                              
depicted  on  the  right  portion   of  the  page  14  graph  more                                                              
identifiably  reflect  the TAPS  transportation  component.  While                                                              
the  verbal  discussion  clarified  that  point, the  graph  as  a                                                              
stand-alone did not.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:28:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman requested  that further  information be  provided                                                              
as  to whether  the  credits  issued to  a  producer  via the  gas                                                              
processing  component   might  be   affected  by  Federal   Energy                                                              
Regulatory Commission (FERC) federal regulations.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:29:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson   pointed  out  that,   as  depicted  in   the  gas                                                              
production  schematic   on  the  right   side  of  page   14,  gas                                                              
processing would  be upstream of  the point of production  and gas                                                              
treatment would  occur downstream of  the point of  production. In                                                              
the event  of a  combined gas processing/gas  treatment  plant the                                                              
point of production would be between the two processes.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:30:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  shared the  Administration's  determination  that,                                                              
were a  gas pipeline constructed,  the gas treatment  plant, which                                                              
would  be  the  last  facility  before  the  gas  entered  a  main                                                              
transportation   line,   would   be  considered   "part   of   the                                                              
transportation infrastructure".  As a condition of  a gas pipeline                                                              
proposal currently  being considered,  the State would  acquire an                                                              
ownership  percentage  in  project components  downstream  of  the                                                              
point  of production,  such as  the gas  treatment plant.  Further                                                              
information in this regard would be forthcoming.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:31:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  concluded that  "once you  cross" the line  between                                                              
the  upstream  and  downstream   processes,  a  different  set  of                                                              
building  and   facility  maintenance  regulations   would  be  in                                                              
effect, as  the downstream  facilities would  be regulated  by the                                                              
Federal  Energy Regulatory  Commission (FERC).  FERC would  ensure                                                              
there being  just and  reasonable rates and  that access  would be                                                              
allowed  for anyone  desiring to  use the  line at  that just  and                                                              
reasonable rate.  "The whole issue  of credits and  support would"                                                              
become more complex.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:32:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  noted that  a six-page  memorandum [copy  on file]                                                              
dated  March  19, 2006  to  Senator  Gene Therriault  from  Donald                                                              
Shepler  with  Greenberg   Traurig,  a  consulting   firm  to  the                                                              
Department  of  Revenue,  clarified   that  FERC  would  have  the                                                              
ability to make decisions regarding downstream events.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:32:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  asked  that  time be  allotted  to  discuss  the                                                              
information in  Mr. Shepler's  letter, as this  issue has  a "huge                                                              
impact".  While  the parameters  of  such  a discussion  could  be                                                              
limited  to the issues  addressed  in this bill,  the issue  would                                                              
become more  complicated  as discussions  advanced. It would  have                                                              
"major  consequence"  on how  the  credits provided  to  producers                                                              
could be utilized.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked  whether Senator  Stedman  was referring  to                                                              
the 20 percent credit provision in the bill.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  affirmed. FERC's  involvement  could  negatively                                                              
influence  how production  tax credits could  affect a  producer's                                                              
equity position. There  is nothing concrete as to  how the credits                                                              
would   be  recognized.   His   understanding   was  that   FERC's                                                              
regulations would, in  the case where a producer had  a 40 percent                                                              
equity position  and a  20 percent credit,  result in  the credits                                                              
"diluting"  the producer's  equity  position.  The Committee  must                                                              
"understand the  full flow through  of impact on rates,  impact on                                                              
the  value of  the commodity  we're  selling, when  we make  these                                                              
decisions".                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:33:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  stated  that  the   schematics  on  page  14  were                                                              
confusing as they  depicted two points of production  for gas: the                                                              
center  schematic  depicted  a  point  of  production  immediately                                                              
following  the mechanical  separation  and  the schematic  on  the                                                              
right  depicted a  point of  production  involving processing  and                                                              
treatment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:34:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson explained  that  the Point  of  Production for  Gas                                                              
following the  mechanical separation  referred to gas  utilized on                                                              
the  North Slope  or  small amounts  of  gas  sold for  industrial                                                              
purposes. The  majority of  North Slope gas  would be  the gaseous                                                              
mixture  of hydrocarbons  process  reflected in  the schematic  on                                                              
the  right side  of the  page. It's  metering  and weighing  would                                                              
occur at the point of production after processing.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson communicated  that the 8.5 billion  cubic feet (Bcf)                                                              
per  day of  gas  that  is re-injected  into  the  ground was  not                                                              
considered "produced"  and as such was never  metered or measured.                                                              
"Produced is a technical  term of having a gross  value at a point                                                              
of production."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  understood therefore  that re-injected gas  was not                                                              
considered  "produced".   Metering  would   only  occur   for  gas                                                              
identified  in the  schematic on  the right  side of  the page  14                                                              
chart.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:35:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  affirmed. Were  the Central  Gas Facility  (CGF) at                                                              
Prudhoe  Bay to remain  in its  current location,  and a  separate                                                              
gas  treatment   facility  constructed  near  it,   the  point  of                                                              
production for gas would be between those two facilities.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:36:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  asked  for  further  clarification  regarding  the                                                              
point  of  production  in  a  combined   gas  processing/treatment                                                              
plant.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  clarified that the  schematic on the right  side of                                                              
the   page  contained   two  scenarios.   One  involved   separate                                                              
processing and treatment  facilities, and one involved  a combined                                                              
processing/treatment  facility. In the  latter case, the  point of                                                              
production  would   be  considered  the  point  between   the  two                                                              
processes.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde acknowledged.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:36:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  referenced a  three-page handout titled  "Prudhoe                                                              
Bay:  Point  of  Production"  [copy   on  file]  provided  by  Mr.                                                              
Dickinson and  asked whether the  point of production  was treated                                                              
the same under SB 305, CSSB 305(RES) and CSHB 488(RES).                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson affirmed it was.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  reiterated that the impact of  FERC's regulations                                                              
on how  proposed PPT  gas credits  might affect  producers  was "a                                                              
big big issue".  To that point, he requested  Committee members to                                                              
carefully read  the first paragraph  in the Conclusion  section on                                                              
page  6  of  Mr. Shepler's  memorandum.  This  language  reads  as                                                              
follows.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I have not  found any clearly binding precedent  that answers                                                              
     the question  you posed. However,  since FERC bases  rates on                                                              
     the costs  incurred to  provide the  services, the  fact that                                                              
     Project  Sponsors  received  quantifiable state  tax  credits                                                              
     and  deductions as  a direct  result  of investing  in a  GTP                                                              
     suggests that  FERC would be  included to require  that those                                                              
     benefits be  flowed through to  shippers whom make us  of the                                                              
     GTP this would be the result I would expect.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:37:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  stated that  under  the  provisions of  CSSB  305,                                                              
there was  "a line between gas  treatment and gas  processing". No                                                              
credits would  be issued in regards  to gas treatment.  "It is gas                                                              
treatment  that typically  is regulated  by  the FERC."  Continued                                                              
maintenance  of   that  line  would   provide  "the   clear  clean                                                              
separation" required.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  understood  that  CSSB 305  would  maintain  that                                                              
line.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson affirmed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman   informed  the  Committee  that   the  Point  of                                                              
Production  line  being  drawn  between  Gas  Processing  and  Gas                                                              
Treatment was  the result of numerous  amendments to the  bill. He                                                              
supported  those amendments.  Members should  be cognizant  of the                                                              
fact  that  many  issues  had been  addressed  during  the  bill's                                                              
Legislative committee process.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green   pointed  out   that  several  issues   had  been                                                              
addressed in the Senate Resources committee substitute.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  affirmed. His  point was  that, even  though this                                                              
issue  was addressed  by the  Senate  Resources Committee,  issues                                                              
such  as  the one  he  raised  regarding  FERC, should  be  issued                                                              
addressed by the Finance Committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green reiterated  her understanding  that the issue  had                                                              
been addressed in CSSB 305(RES).                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman affirmed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE:  The  discussion  regarding  the  information  on  page  14                                                              
concluded and the presentation cycled back to page 12.]                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:39:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 12                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 30 (part 1)                                                                                                        
        · New definition of "Cook Inlet Basin"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        · For purposes of the 1.5 percent tax on lessor's                                                                       
          royalty share (outside of Cook Inlet Basin the tax is                                                                 
          5 percent)                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  noted that the  royalty tax  rate included in  CSSB 305                                                              
for oil  and gas activities  specific to  Cook Inlet  prompted the                                                              
inclusion  of  a  new  definition  of  Cook  Inlet  Basin  in  the                                                              
committee substitute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 30 (cont.)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        · Define "gas processing" and define "gas treatment"                                                                    
        · Gas processing: physical processes that extract liquid                                                                
          hydrocarbons, upstream of a sales line or gas                                                                         
          treatment plant                                                                                                       
        · Gas Treatment: removing non- hydrocarbon substances                                                                   
          and conditioning gas for sales line                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz noted that Mr. Dickinson had addressed this                                                                           
information in the discussion pertaining to page 14.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:39:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 15                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 31                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Repeal of superseded provisions, including individual                                                                 
          gas and oil taxes, ELF, and some definitions                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz identified Section 31 would repeal sections of the                                                                    
current production tax statute.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 16                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 32, 33                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · Applicability: Sections pertinent to taxing oil and                                                                   
          gas under the PPT apply to oil and gas produced                                                                       
          starting April 1, 2006                                                                                                
        · Applicability: Prevailing value clarification of                                                                      
          existing law applies to all oil and gas                                                                               
        · Part-year conventions for 2006                                                                                        
        · ELF based safe harbor for 6 months                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz stated  these Applicability sections clarified  that the                                                              
proposed PPT  would apply to oil  and gas produced as  of April 1,                                                              
2006. The prevailing  value statutes addressed earlier  in Section                                                              
1 page  2 were  "simply a  clarification rather  than a  change in                                                              
the law",  and therefore,  that  language would  apply to  oil and                                                              
gas produced before or after April 1, 2006.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz  noted there  being several  transition sections  in the                                                              
committee substitute.  Since the  PPT tax would  not be  in effect                                                              
until April 1, 2006,  the first three months of  the calendar year                                                              
must be  removed from  the determinations.  The bill must  clarify                                                              
that the  PPT provisions  would apply to  nine months  rather than                                                              
12 months of the initial year of implementation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:41:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz also  noted  the bill  would  include  safe harbor  tax                                                              
reporting and  payment to  taxpayers for  the initial  six months,                                                              
as  taxpayers could  not  be expected  "to  retroactively pay  the                                                              
correct amount".  In addition, both  the Department  and taxpayers                                                              
would  require  time  to  "adjust  their  accounting  and  payment                                                              
procedures to comply  with the new tax provisions".  In essence, a                                                              
taxpayer  could pay  the  tax due  under  existing production  tax                                                              
provisions for the  first six months, then be required  to make up                                                              
the difference  in the tax paid  and the tax that would  have been                                                              
levied under the PPT.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 17                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 34                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Transition provisions --                                                                                              
        · Department may develop PPT implementing regulations                                                                   
          immediately                                                                                                           
        · Implementing regulations may have retroactive effect                                                                  
          to April 1, 2006                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz  noted the  additional  transitional  provisions.  This                                                              
language would authorize  the Department of Revenue  to begin work                                                              
immediately,  rather  than  waiting  for the  effective  date,  on                                                              
implementing  regulations  in  the  case the  effective  date  was                                                              
something   other  than   April   1,  2006.   Language   providing                                                              
retroactive   authorization  for   implementing  regulations   was                                                              
considered   "very  important".   Regulations  must   specifically                                                              
address the retroactive affect of the bill.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:43:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 18                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 35                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Conform headings of statutory provisions                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mintz  stated   this  Section  would  allow   for  conforming                                                              
headings of provisions "to the new tax law".                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 19                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 36, 37, 38                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · Effective dates -                                                                                                     
        · PPT provisions take effect April 1, 2006but if they                                                                   
          take effect after April 1, they are retroactive to                                                                    
          April 1                                                                                                               
        · Other provisions take effect immediately                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz noted  that, while the bill specified  an effective date                                                              
of  April   1,  2006,  this   language  would  allow   the  bill's                                                              
provisions  to be  retroactive.  "Provisions not  integral to  the                                                              
PPT, would have an immediate effective date."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mintz concluded the presentation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:44:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     "PPT: Comparing the Options" dated April 3, 2006                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ROBYNN  WILSON,   CPA,  Director,  Tax  Division,   Department  of                                                              
Revenue, testified  via teleconference from on offnet  location to                                                              
address the  power point presentation  titled "PPT:  Comparing the                                                              
Options" dated April 3, 2006 [copy on file].                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  noted  that this  presentation  would  review  the                                                              
differences  between the  Governor's bill,  SB 305,  the House  of                                                              
Representatives  committee  substitute,   CSHB  488(RES)  and  the                                                              
Senate Resources committee substitute, CSSB 305(RES).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE: In  these minutes,  the Governor's bill  is referred  to as                                                              
SB 305, the  Senate Resources committee substitute  is referred to                                                              
as CSSB 305 and  the House committee substitute is  referred to as                                                              
CSHB 488.]                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:46:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Effective Dates & payments                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Governor's bill                                                                                                       
          *Effective 7/1/06                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        · House CS & Senate CS                                                                                                  
          *Effective 4/1/06                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  expressed  that both  CSSB 305  and CSHB 488  would                                                              
designate the  provisions of the  bill to be retroactive  to April                                                              
1, 2006.  SB 305  would have an  effective date  of July  1, 2006.                                                              
CSSB  305  with  its April  1  effective  date  and  Progressivity                                                              
component would  generate approximately $430 million  more revenue                                                              
than SB 305 with  its July 1 effective date based  on a forecasted                                                              
price of  $58 per  barrel. Oil was  selling at  $65 per  barrel on                                                              
April  2,  2006.  CSHB  488  would   generate  approximately  $300                                                              
million more than SB 305.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Effective Dates & payments                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Governor's bill                                                                                                       
          *Effective 7/1/06                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        · House CS & Senate CS                                                                                                  
          *Effective 4/1/06                                                                                                     
          *6 mo. payment on ELF system, 7th mo. true-up                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson communicated  the Administration's  support of  the                                                              
transitional period  included in both the House  and Senate bills.                                                              
Such language was  not included in SB 305 because  the thought was                                                              
that were  the bill  adopted early in  the Legislative  session, a                                                              
six  month  transitional   timeframe  would  have   been  provided                                                              
between  its  adoption and  effective  date.  That not  being  the                                                              
case, a transitional  timeframe should be specified  regardless of                                                              
whether   the  Governor's   bill   or  a   Legislative   committee                                                              
substitute was adopted.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson explained  the transitional period  included in CSSB
305:  a taxpayer  could  pay their  tax  as determined  under  the                                                              
status  quo  tax  system  for  the  first  six  months  after  the                                                              
effective  date  of  the  bill.  The  difference,  or  "true  up",                                                              
between the taxes  paid and the amount due under  the PPT would be                                                              
due  during the  seventh month.  Interest and  penalties would  be                                                              
applied to  any tax not  satisfied at that  time. From  that point                                                              
forward, the monthly  tax paid must comply with  the provisions of                                                              
the PPT.  A true up  of a calendar  quarter's taxes must  occur by                                                              
the end of the following calendar quarter.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:48:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE: The charts depicted on pages 4 and 5 were not discussed.]                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Tax Rate                                                                                                                   
     Annual Oil Severance Tax(Millions of 2005 Dollars)                                                                         
     Low Volume Scenario, $20, $40, and $60 per bbl                                                                             
     Governor's PPT at 20/20 and 25/20                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     [This chart depicts various scenarios of the Severance Tax                                                                 
    under a low volume scenario based on a 20 percent and 25                                                                    
    percent tax as influenced by $20, $40, or $60 per barrel                                                                    
     prices between the years 2005 and 2030.]                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson communicated  that the information on  the charts in                                                              
this  presentation   were  presented  in  the   format  previously                                                              
suggested  by the Committee.  For comparison  purposes, a  variety                                                              
of scenarios  were depicted  on one  chart. Additional  grid lines                                                              
were added, and  the information on the vertical "Y"  axis and the                                                              
horizontal "X" axis would be uniform from chart to chart.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  stated  that the  chart on page  6 represented  six                                                              
scenarios:  the anticipated  severance  tax  revenue generated  by                                                              
the 20 percent tax  rate proposed in SB 305 at a  $20, $40 and $60                                                              
per barrel oil price  as compared to CSSB 305's 25  percent tax at                                                              
those same  prices. The difference  between the 20 percent  and 25                                                              
percent tax  at a $20 per  barrel price would each  generate "tens                                                              
of  millions   of  dollars";  however,   they  would   provide  an                                                              
"inconsequential" amount  of revenue in comparison  to the revenue                                                              
the State  would receive  at higher  prices.  He pointed out  that                                                              
regardless  of whether  the  20 or  25 percent  tax  rate were  in                                                              
place, a  $20 per barrel price  would provide zero revenue  to the                                                              
State by approximately the year 2014.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson continued  that, at $40 per barrel, both  SB 305 and                                                              
CSSB  305  would generate  substantially  more  revenue;  however,                                                              
that revenue  would  start to decrease  around  the year 2014  and                                                              
would approach zero revenue around 2030.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson stated  that, as would be expected,  higher revenues                                                              
would be  generated under  both tax proposals  at $60  per barrel.                                                              
CSSB 305 would  initially generate approximately  $250,000,000 per                                                              
year.  The  Governor's  bill  would   generate  a  lesser  amount.                                                              
However, as  oil production,  and consequently, revenues  declined                                                              
the downward  revenue  slopes of  the two tax  rates "stay  fairly                                                              
constant".                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHERIE  NIENHUIS,  Petroleum  Economist,   Department  of  Revenue                                                              
distributed  a four  page  handout [copy  on  file] which  further                                                              
portrayed the tax  percentage comparisons. The first  page, titled                                                              
"Slide 6:  Tax Rate:  Governor's Bill with  20/20 and  with 25/20,                                                              
Low  Volume",  presented  line  item Low  Volume  revenues,  in  a                                                              
"table" format,  for the 20  percent and  25 percent tax  rates at                                                              
$20, $40 and $60 per barrel for the years 2007 through 2030.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Utilizing  the information  on  the Slide  6  sheet, Ms.  Nienhuis                                                              
pointed out  that at $60 per  barrel, the 25 percent  tax proposed                                                              
in CSSB  305 would generate an  "average annual increase"  of $394                                                              
million dollars more  than the 20 percent tax proposed  in SB 305.                                                              
The $597  million 24 year cumulative  revenue generated by  the 25                                                              
percent tax at $20  a barrel would be a 231  percent increase over                                                              
the $180  million cumulative revenue  generated by the  20 percent                                                              
tax at  that price.  "That's a  significant increase."  Additional                                                              
comparison information could be deemed from the Table.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:53:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  stressed  that, while  the  percentage  difference                                                              
between the  two tax rates  at $20 a barrel  might be "huge,  as a                                                              
dollar amount it's very very small".                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nienhuis  concurred. She reiterated  that the amounts  she had                                                              
quoted were cumulative rather than yearly revenues.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:54:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nienhuis noted  that the cumulative difference  between the 25                                                              
and  20  percent  tax  at $40  a  barrel  was  approximately  five                                                              
billion  dollars. The  24 year  cumulative difference  at $60  per                                                              
barrel was approximately ten billion dollars.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:54:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  stated that  the two  tax rate  scenarios at  $60 a                                                              
barrel as referenced  by Ms. Nienhuis were depicted  in graph form                                                              
on page  6 of the  presentation. Initially  the 20 percent  and 25                                                              
percent tax  rate at $60 a  barrel would generate  annual revenues                                                              
of     approximately    $2,000,000,000     and     $2,500,000,000,                                                              
respectfully.  "The two  would fall  off  proportionately" as  oil                                                              
volume declined.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:55:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Stedman  characterized   these   revenue  forecasts   as                                                              
"ghastly  looking numbers".  However, the  situation would  appear                                                              
different  where  it viewed  in  terms  of Total  Government  Take                                                              
verses industry  take. The  "fairness issue"  is "the  fundamental                                                              
issue in front of us".                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:55:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In   response   to  Senator   Stedman's   remark,   Ms.   Nienhuis                                                              
distributed a  graph titled "Total  Government Take, Senate  CS at                                                              
25/20  and  20/20, Low  Volume  Scenario"  [copy on  file],  which                                                              
reflected the  Total Government  Take as a  percent of  the barrel                                                              
price, based  on CSSB 305's  25 percent tax  rate and SB  305's 20                                                              
percent tax  rate at prices ranging  from $15 to $65  Alaska North                                                              
Slope (ANS) prices per barrel.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  stressed  that the State's  royalty and  property                                                              
tax system  were "regressive". The  State must have  a progressive                                                              
tax system "to  counteract" those systems. The  PPT being proposed                                                              
would  provide the  necessary progressive  tax  system. Viewed  on                                                              
its  own, the  PPT  would appear  "more  egregious"  than were  it                                                              
viewed as an element of the overall State tax structure.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  understood  the  inclination  to  focus  on  the                                                              
revenue  the  tax   would  generate;  however,  he   worried  that                                                              
concentrating solely  on the revenue might "lead  [the State] down                                                              
the  wrong  road. And  at  the  end  of the  day",  an  "incorrect                                                              
decision"  about  what would  be  in  "the  best interest  of  the                                                              
citizens" of  the State for  the sale of  this commodity  might be                                                              
made. Legislators  should be  mindful of  the fact that  royalties                                                              
and taxes have been used "as a selling mechanism".                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:57:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde addressed  Senator  Stedman's  comments by  voicing                                                              
that  his "egregious  concerns"  were his  grandchildren and  what                                                              
they would  utilize to  support their  government. He  pointed out                                                              
that a barrel of oil could only be "sold once".                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  understood that the  oil industry  was anticipating                                                              
oil  prices to  hover around  $40 a  barrel for  the next  several                                                              
years. Were  that the case, some  of the scenarios  being reviewed                                                              
were optimistic rather than reality.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:58:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nienhuis  acknowledged  there  being  a  variety  of  revenue                                                              
forecasts.   The  Department  of   Revenue's  long-term   forecast                                                              
anticipated that ANS  oil prices would range between  $25 and $50.                                                              
The Department's  long term forecast is revisited  every two years                                                              
and  would next  be reviewed  in  the fall  of  2006. The  federal                                                              
Energy  Information Administration  (EIA) long  term forecast  was                                                              
$58. Because,  oil prices are "all  over the board",  the decision                                                              
was  made  to   present  "several  different  scenarios"   to  the                                                              
Legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde characterized  the  barrel  as being  "either  half                                                              
full or half empty" depending on the source.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:59:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In  response to  a  question from  Senator  Stedman, Ms.  Nienhuis                                                              
stated that,  while the "Total  Government Take" handout,  was not                                                              
part of today's presentation, it could be discussed.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  observed  the information  depicted on the  Total                                                              
Government  Take handout to  indicate that  at ANS prices  between                                                              
$25 to $60  a barrel, the Government  Take under either  the 25 or                                                              
20 percent  tax rate  "stay relatively  constant at  approximately                                                              
60 percent".                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman stated  that  the effort  should  be to  maintain                                                              
that percentage  going forward. It  was his intention to  ask Econ                                                              
One  Research, Inc.,  the economic  research  and consulting  firm                                                              
hired  by the  Administration, to  update  their Total  Government                                                              
Take analysis  to reflect CSSB  305 rather than  previous versions                                                              
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:00:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  recalled Senator Stedman previously  developing a                                                              
chart  [copy not  provided] which  compiled  Econ One's  analyses.                                                              
Thus,  he asked  whether Senator  Stedman's intent  was to  update                                                              
that information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman affirmed  that  to  be his  intent.  The $60  ANS                                                              
price  range projections  presented  today  by the  Administration                                                              
were  "slightly  less" than  those  presented  in the  Econ  One's                                                              
analyses based  on previous bill  versions. The expectation  would                                                              
be that  when Econ One  updated its numbers  to reflect  CSSB 305,                                                              
the   numbers  would   be  close   to  those   presented  by   the                                                              
Administration.  Updating Econ  One's information  would not  be a                                                              
very cumbersome endeavor.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:02:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Dickinson   stated   that,  on   numerous   occasions,   the                                                              
Administration  and Econ  One  reviewed each  other's  statistical                                                              
modeling  analyses. Both  entities'  modeling  results were  close                                                              
when  identical  information was  utilized.  Oftentimes,  however,                                                              
graphs would differ because different variables were utilized.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  reiterated  his  recommendation  that  Econ  One                                                              
replace its previous  modeling analyses with that  reflecting CSSB
305. This request  should not be misunderstood  as questioning the                                                              
material provided  by the Administration;  the intent would  be to                                                              
have  two  modelings  of  the same  bill  version  for  comparison                                                              
purposes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:03:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 7                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Effect of Progressivity                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Annual Oil Severance Tax (Millions of 2005 Dollars)                                                                        
     Low Volume Scenario, $50, $60, and $70 per bbl                                                                             
     Governor's Bill as written, with House Progressivity, and                                                                  
     with Senate Progressivity                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     [This  graph provides  nine  low volume  scenarios  depicting                                                              
     how the  Progressivity factors  incorporated into  the Senate                                                              
     and House PPT  bills would compare to the  Governor's bill as                                                              
     written, at ANS  prices of $50, $60, and $70  per barrel. The                                                              
     "Y"  axis reflects  the  Severance Tax  revenue  and the  "X"                                                              
     axis reflects the years 2007 through 2030.]                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson   explained  that  this  graph  depicted   how  the                                                              
Progressivity  factor,  which  becomes   effective  when  ANS  oil                                                              
prices exceeded $50  under CSHB 488 and $40 under  CSSB 305, would                                                              
compare to the provisions  of SB 305, which, as  written, does not                                                              
contain a  Progressivity component. The  bottom line on  the chart                                                              
represents  the  revenue for  both  the  Governor's bill  and  the                                                              
House bill  at $50 a barrel,  as the House's  progressivity factor                                                              
would  not  generate any  additional  monies  at that  price.  The                                                              
second  line  from the  bottom  on  the  chart would  reflect  the                                                              
revenue  generated  at  $50  a  barrel  under  CSSB  305  and  its                                                              
Progressivity factor, which "kicks in" at a $40 ANS price.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson noted  that  the lower  of the  next  set of  three                                                              
lines was SB 305  at a $60 ANS price with its flat  20 percent tax                                                              
"regardless  of the  profits".  Above it,  in  close proximity  to                                                              
each  other, were  graph lines  depicting  the revenues  generated                                                              
under CSHB 488 and  CSSB 305. It is apparent that  at $60 ANS, the                                                              
House  and Senate  bills and  their  progressivity elements  would                                                              
generate  "quite a  bit more money"  than the  Governor's  bill at                                                              
that price.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  noted  that  the   top  two  lines  of  the  chart                                                              
represented the revenues  generated by CSSB 305 and  CSHB 488 with                                                              
their progressivity  elements  at $70 ANS.  The line  representing                                                              
the Governor's  bill at  $70 ANS  rests on top  of the  graph line                                                              
depicting  the revenue  generated  by  CSHB 488  at  $60 ANS  with                                                              
progressivity. "In  other words", the revenue generated  by SB 305                                                              
at  $70 ANS  without  progressivity would  equate  to the  revenue                                                              
generated by CSHB 488 at $60 ANS with Progressivity.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  noted that  while  the  revenue generated  by  the                                                              
Governor's bill  would rise  and fall with  the price of  ANS oil;                                                              
the progressivity  features of  the House  and Senate  bill, while                                                              
different and  triggered at different  ANS prices,  would generate                                                              
substantially more revenue.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:09:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 8                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     WTI & ANC Crude Prices: Jan 1988 - Feb 2006                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     [This   chart  compares   the  WTI   price,  which   averages                                                              
     $25.01/barrel,    to   the    ANS   price   which    averages                                                              
     $22.70/barrel.  The vertical  axis represents  the price  per                                                              
     barrel  for the time  frame of  January 1988 through  January                                                              
     2006 in  two year  increments as  depicted on the  horizontal                                                              
     axis.  While  WTI  prices are  consistently  slightly  higher                                                              
     than ANS  prices, the markets  mirror each other's  rises and                                                              
     falls.]                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson advised  the Committee that the  House Progressivity                                                              
feature was triggered  by the West Coast Intermediate  (WTI) price                                                              
of oil rather than  the ANS price utilized as "the  key driver" of                                                              
the Senate's Progressivity feature.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Dickinson   stated   that,   regardless   of   whether   the                                                              
Progressivity  feature  was  good  or bad,  either  of  these  two                                                              
markets  would  be "viable  broad  indicators"  of price  as  they                                                              
reacted  to the  same  market influences,  and,  as indices,  they                                                              
tend to trend together.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  compared the WTI  and ANS oil trading  markets. WTI                                                              
"is widely  traded". The general sense  is that the WTI  market is                                                              
"immune  from  any  kind  of  manipulation"   as  it  is  a  "very                                                              
transparent  widely reported figure.  ANS, on  the other  hand, is                                                              
just  this one  stream  of oil,  there  are literally  on  average                                                              
maybe  two or  three  sales a  month", some  months  go without  a                                                              
sale.  While  the ANS  price  is  reported  daily, that  price  is                                                              
simply the  "WTI price adjusted  at the market differential".  The                                                              
market differential is the last ANS sale as compared to the WTI.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson stated  that the  two markets  might move  together                                                              
with a  WTI price two  dollars higher than  the ANS price.  An ANS                                                              
sale  is made  at a  price $1.50  less  than the  WTI price.  This                                                              
would result  in an  ANS market  adjustment of  50 cents  to align                                                              
the two markets  going forward. Because the ANS price  is based on                                                              
the WTI,  the recommendation would be  to utilize WTI as  the long                                                              
term market marker.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE:  The  "Schematic  Comparison  of  Tax  of  Gross  Prior  to                                                              
netting  out  costs  at  various   (INCLUDING  VERY  HIGH!!!)  Oil                                                              
Prices" chart on page 9 is discussed at Time Stamp 10:17:36 AM.]                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 10                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     WTI - ANS Differential: Jan 1988 - Feb 2006                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     [This chart indicates that, during times of falling oil                                                                    
     prices, ANS oil prices often experience a steeper fall than                                                                
     the WTI price.]                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  informed the Committee  that at times when  the WTI                                                              
price dropped,  the ANS price  might drop  further due to  a lower                                                              
confidence  factor. This  would  increase  the price  differential                                                              
between  WTI  and ANS.  At  one  point  in  the past  year,  these                                                              
differences reached  an "unprecedented" level which  was worrisome                                                              
to  some individuals.  These situations  could be  built into  the                                                              
modeling; however,  the overriding issue is that  "generally", the                                                              
ANS price  would continue  to be  approximately two dollars  lower                                                              
than the  WTI price.  The "features"  of the WTI  would make  it a                                                              
better  marker  of the  index.  On the  other  hand,  in terms  of                                                              
"calculating the wellhead value", ANS should be utilized.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:13:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  stressed  the importance  of this information  in                                                              
the  discussion  about  the  Progressivity   trigger.  The  Senate                                                              
Resources Committee  amended the bill  to change the  trigger from                                                              
WTI to ANS West  Coast. The issues associated with  using ANS West                                                              
Coast  should be  recognized.  WTI, being  more  fluid and  having                                                              
higher volumes,  would be "less  likely to be manipulated".  It is                                                              
also commonly utilized in the global financial market.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman shared  the  belief  that the  use  of ANS  would                                                              
include some  inherent risks to  the State. Further  discussion on                                                              
this issue should occur.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  asked  whether  utilizing ANS  would  require  an                                                              
adjustment to be made to the Progressivity trigger point.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  declared  that consideration  should be  given to                                                              
adjusting  the $40  trigger point  to account  for the two  dollar                                                              
difference between WTI and ANS.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:15:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman referred  the Committee  back to  the "Effect  of                                                              
Progressivity"  chart on  page 7 which  reflected the  differences                                                              
between  the  Progressivity  factors  included in  the  House  and                                                              
Senate  bills as  compared  to SB  305 which  does  not contain  a                                                              
Progressivity   factor.   He  suggested   that   the   information                                                              
pertaining to  the Senate  and House bills  be "rechecked"  as the                                                              
differences were not  what he had expected. In  addition, he asked                                                              
that  the  chart   be  reformatted  to  consistently   depict  the                                                              
different  pricing scenarios  for  the Senate  in  one color,  the                                                              
House  in  another  color,  and the  Governor's  bill  at  another                                                              
color.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  reiterated  that   once  Econ  One  revised  its                                                              
information comparing  the Progressivity relationship  between the                                                              
House  bill  and the  current  version  of  the Senate  bill,  any                                                              
needed modifications  or errors in  either bill might  become more                                                              
evident.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:16:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken   asked  whether  the  differences   between  the                                                              
House's Progressivity  rate being  based on  WTI and the  Senate's                                                              
being  based  on  ANS  might  be evident  on  the  April  3,  2006                                                              
"Comparison  of  PPT Bill  Versions  - Highlights"  summary  sheet                                                              
[copy on file] provided by the Department of Revenue.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson stated  that  the differing  Progressivity  factors                                                              
are  depicted  on  the  fourth line  item  on  the  sheet,  titled                                                              
"progressivity surcharge.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken acknowledged.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  agreed that the  color coding suggested  by Senator                                                              
Stedman made  good sense. Several  of the Department  of Revenue's                                                              
material incorporated that approach.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:17:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 9                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Schematic Comparison of Tax on Gross Prior to netting out                                                                  
     costs at various (INCLUDING VERY HIGH!!!) Oil Prices                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     [This chart depicts how the tax on gross revenue would look                                                                
     under the House, Senate, and Governor's PPT bill proposals                                                                 
    at prices ranging from $10 a barrel to $170 per barrel.]                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Dickinson   stated   this    graph   depicted   how   "truly                                                              
extraordinary" high  prices would affect the tax  on gross revenue                                                              
under the House, Senate, and Governor's bills.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson   specified  that,  at  "very  high   prices",  the                                                              
difference between  basing the tax on net and  gross revenue would                                                              
be  immaterial.  The revenue  generated  by  a $160  barrel  price                                                              
gross, which  would equate to a  net of approximately $150,  as "a                                                              
percentage, is  very close". He  pointed out that rather  than the                                                              
focus being  on the outcome of barrel  prices at the lower  end of                                                              
the  chart,  the  focus  should   be  on  the  outcome  of  prices                                                              
exceeding  $100  per barrel.  While  oil  might not  achieve  that                                                              
price, people  should be  aware of what  might happen  were prices                                                              
to escalate to that level.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  continued that,  regardless of  price, SB  305 with                                                              
no Progressivity  element would simply  apply a 20 percent  tax on                                                              
a company's  profits. At $100, the  rate of tax charged  under the                                                              
CSHB 488  with its  20 percent  tax rate  and a $50  Progressivity                                                              
component,  would "essentially  double" and  then stay  relatively                                                              
flat. At  $110 per  barrel, CSHB 488  would basically  collect "50                                                              
percent  of the  value". The  producer  would be  required to  pay                                                              
royalty,  federal  taxes,  and   other  obligations  with  the  50                                                              
percent they garnered.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  stated that  CSSB 305 with  its 25 percent  tax and                                                              
$40 Progressivity  factor would impose a slightly  higher tax rate                                                              
until  approximately the  $85 to  $110 price  range when both  the                                                              
House  and Senate  tax percent  takes would  be approximately  the                                                              
same. However,  it should  be noted that  at approximately  $110 a                                                              
barrel, some feature  in the House bill would cause  that tax rate                                                              
to  climb  dramatically  while the  Senate  tax  percentage  would                                                              
continue a steady  upward climb. The trends depicted  on the graph                                                              
would be  expected to continue through  the $200 per  barrel price                                                              
range.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  exampled how  the tax rates  that would  be imposed                                                              
under CSSB  305 and  CSHB 488 and  SB 305 were  oil prices  $200 a                                                              
barrel.  At  that  price,  deductions for  expenses  would  be  "a                                                              
fairly minimal  percentage". The 20  percent tax on oil  priced at                                                              
$200 a  barrel under SB  305 would equate  to a total tax  of $40.                                                              
The  tax  collected  under  CSHB 488  would  be  approximately  50                                                              
percent  or  $100. The  tax  collected  under  CSSB 305  would  be                                                              
approximately  45 percent or  $90. "Real  differences" in  the tax                                                              
collected would  surface when  prices exceeded approximately  $100                                                              
per barrel.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:21:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  stated that  the  price  range depicted  on  the                                                              
horizontal axis  might appear "absurd"  but there might  be "short                                                              
periods of time"  when they could be realistic. To  that point, he                                                              
asked whether  the Senate  Resources Committee  had discussed  the                                                              
Progressivity  factor in  consideration  "of the  cost of  getting                                                              
that oil  out of the ground",  for, when oil prices  increase from                                                              
$40 a  barrel to $120  a barrel, the  cost of extracting  that oil                                                              
and shipping it  to market does not triple. Therefore,  he queried                                                              
as to whether  a study has  been conducted that would  specify how                                                              
much it would cost  to extract oil when prices  were, for example,                                                              
$40 a barrel or $120 a barrel.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  understood that  Roger Marks, Petroleum  Economist,                                                              
Department  of  Revenue   has  touched  on  this   issue  when  he                                                              
presented  to  the  Committee.  When  oil  prices  were  $120  per                                                              
barrel,  producers would  extract  oil they  previously would  not                                                              
have.  For instance,  the cost  to extract  oil in  an area  might                                                              
amount to  $30 a barrel. While  a producer would not  extract that                                                              
oil when barrel  prices were $40, he might extract  it when prices                                                              
increased  to $120  a  barrel. The  reason  that extraction  costs                                                              
increase "as  the long term forecasted  price goes up  is because"                                                              
oil that  is more expensive to  extract would be  extracted. There                                                              
is  also the  "direct effect"  on  fuel costs  and other  expenses                                                              
which might  increase as prices do.  "At low prices, you  pick the                                                              
low hanging  fruit, and  as prices  get higher,  you get  more and                                                              
more complex  arrangements, more  and more expensive  arrangements                                                              
to get the oil out of the ground."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  stated   that  heavy  oil  had   an  eight  dollar                                                              
development  cost as compared  to a  five dollar development  cost                                                              
for  regular oil.  A  graph depicting  this  information could  be                                                              
developed.  While this  is a  viable  point, a  limited amount  of                                                              
data was available.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  noted that,  although there  have been  "five years                                                              
of  relatively  high prices"  including  two  years of  very  high                                                              
prices,  few  "investments  to extract  more  challenging  barrels                                                              
have occurred on the North Slope.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken qualified  that his question  regarding  the cost                                                              
of extraction  relative to the price  of oil per  barrel pertained                                                              
to  extracting oil  in existing  fields rather  than fields  which                                                              
are more expensive to develop.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken voiced  being comfortable  with  the prospect  of                                                              
the State  being able to  share in profits  as they  increased, as                                                              
would be allowed  by the Progressivity element.  Revenue generated                                                              
under  SB 305,  without a  Progressivity element,  does not  allow                                                              
that.  Further   discussion  on  the  incremental   costs  to  the                                                              
producers as oil prices increase would be appreciated.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson responded  that the  extraction  costs relative  to                                                              
the price  of oil  in existing  fields could  be provided  "fairly                                                              
easily".                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:25:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  stated  that  he had  previously  asked  the  same                                                              
question. "It seemed  intuitive to me that production  costs would                                                              
not go up lock  step with the price…" Another  factor presented by                                                              
one of  the major oil  producers was that  "at the  higher prices,                                                              
not only  are you  going after  more expensive  deposits,  but the                                                              
competition  for  resources goes  up".  Rig  day rates  and  labor                                                              
costs would  increase because of  supply and demand. While  he had                                                              
considered increased  costs associated with higher  fuel costs and                                                              
the extraction  expenses of the  "more difficult" oil, he  had not                                                              
considered  the  effect of  supply  and demand.  Nonetheless,  the                                                              
increased  costs  percentages should  not  match  the increase  in                                                              
barrel price percentages.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:26:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman,  when comparing the House, Senate  and Governor's                                                              
PPT  bills' tax  percentages at  high  oil prices  as depicted  on                                                              
page 9  to the  Low volume  Progressivity chart  on page  7, noted                                                              
that  the House  take  depicted on  page  7 at  $70  a barrel  was                                                              
higher than the  Senate take, but the Senate take  was higher than                                                              
the House  at that price on  the page 9 chart.  These calculations                                                              
should be rechecked.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman, referring  to the  chart on  page 9,  understood                                                              
that  during  "their economic  planning",  the  industry  included                                                              
projections based on  high, medium and low prices.  The high price                                                              
scenarios  would include  mechanisms allowing  those scenarios  to                                                              
be viewed  in terms of today's  dollars. To that point,  the hefty                                                              
increase in the  House percentage take, as reflected  on the chart                                                              
at  prices near  the  $100 range,  might  be  "problematic in  the                                                              
impact on  the economic modeling";  specifically when  compared to                                                              
the  "fairly predictable  incline  going  forward"  that would  be                                                              
incurred  under CSSB  305. Its impact  would  be easier to  factor                                                              
into  the industry's  economic  modeling  analyses. This  question                                                              
should  be  posed   to  the  industry  economists   who  would  be                                                              
testifying before the Committee in a few days.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:28:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  appreciated  the   point  being  made  by  Senator                                                              
Stedman.  "This  slide  is  very   schematic"  and  was  meant  to                                                              
emphasize how the  three versions of the PPT would  be affected by                                                              
high prices.  The information was  based on gross  dollars without                                                              
consideration  of expenses.  The Committee  should not place  "too                                                              
much emphasis" on the lower barrel price schematics.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman also  expected  the industry  to  argue that  the                                                              
Progressivity  element  would  remove   some  of  the  industries'                                                              
"windfall  or unexpected  upside, and indirectly  … that's  true".                                                              
However,  the  Progressivity  factor  would serve  to  maintain  a                                                              
balance  "going forward  so  that one  side  doesn't advantage  or                                                              
disadvantage the other".                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:29:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Transition Provision                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Governor's bill                                                                                                            
     * 5 year lookback, deductible over 6 years                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     House CS                                                                                                                   
     * 3 months of capex and opex                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Senate COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE                                                                                                
     * 5 year lookback, 2 for 1 recoupment                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ROBYNN WILSON, CPA, Director, Tax Division, Department of                                                                       
Revenue, testified via teleconference from Anchorage and                                                                        
reviewed the transition provisions in the bills.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:31:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 12                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Transition Treatment                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        · Governor's bill                                                                                                       
          *Allowable deduction if oil > $40/bbl                                                                                 
        · House CS                                                                                                              
          *Deduction over 9 months                                                                                              
          *No oil price test                                                                                                    
        · Senate CS                                                                                                             
          *Credit-no oil price test                                                                                             
          *Sunsets 31/31/2013                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson noted there would be "no oil price test" under the                                                                   
provisions of either the House or Senate bills. CSSB 305 would                                                                  
terminate the transitional deductions on March 31, 2013.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:32:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Transition Provision                                                                                                       
     Annual Oil Severance Tax (Millions of 2005 Dollars)                                                                        
     Low Volume Scenario, $40, $60, and $80 per bbl                                                                             
     Governor's Bill, with House Transition, and with Senate                                                                    
     Transition                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     [This graph compares the severance tax revenues the State                                                                  
     would receive from SB 305, CSHB 488 with its transition                                                                    
     provisions  and CSSB 305 with  its transition  provisions, at                                                              
     $40, $60  and $80  per barrel oil  prices. The  vertical axis                                                              
     depicted  projected  severance  tax  revenues for  the  years                                                              
     2007 to 2014 as depicted on the horizontal axis.]                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson  noted that the revenue  graph lines within  each price                                                              
set  were fairly  close  together.  Most importantly,  this  graph                                                              
impressed  the   point  that  "the  difference   between  specific                                                              
transition provisions  matters some, but it doesn't  matter nearly                                                              
as much as the price of oil".                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson  noted that  only two  lines appeared  on the  graph at                                                              
the $40 per barrel  price, as the severance tax  revenues garnered                                                              
under  SB 305  and  CSHB  488 would  be  the  same and  thus  were                                                              
reflected  as one line.  The other  line would  represent  the tax                                                              
garnered under CSSB 305 at that price.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:33:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nienhuis informed  the Committee  that  the House  transition                                                              
provision  time frame  was nine  months  and thus  would occur  in                                                              
both fiscal  year (FY)  2006 and 2007.  Since this analysis  began                                                              
with the  year 2007,  the House  FY 2006  revenue was  included in                                                              
the 2007 revenue.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nienhuis noted  that this  information was  also depicted  in                                                              
the  table  titled  "Slide  13,  Transition:  Governor's  Bill  as                                                              
written, with  House Transition,  and with Senate  Transition, Low                                                              
Volume" on  page 3 of  the handout she  had earlier  provided. She                                                              
reminded  that the  transition credit  provisions would  terminate                                                              
in 2013.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:35:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson, referring  to a  table  on Slide  16, pointed  out                                                              
that because  "the Senate bill has  no dollar floor" on  the price                                                              
of oil, credits  would be allowed "in a lower  price environment".                                                              
Therefore, in a  low price scenario, CSSB 305  would generate less                                                              
revenue  than either  SB 305 which  does not  allow deductions  to                                                              
occur until  oil prices exceeded  $40 a  barrel or CSHB  488 which                                                              
does   not    provide   "any    transition   expenditures".    The                                                              
"relationships  would flip"  at higher prices  because while  CSSB
305  would allow  a credit,  it would  be less  than that  allowed                                                              
under  SB 305  because  "it would  be  tied" to  the  two for  one                                                              
investment reimbursement.  The belief  is that "not  every company                                                              
will be spending  twice as much in that future period  as they did                                                              
in the  past". As reflected  in the chart  on page 13,  while CSSB
305  would  yield   higher  revenue  than  SB   305,  the  revenue                                                              
generated  by CSHB  488 would exceed  both those  because  it does                                                              
not contain a transitional investment expenditure allowance.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:36:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson reiterated  that  the transition  provisions  would                                                              
expire  by the  year 2014.  However,  the transitional  provisions                                                              
included in SB 305  could extend beyond that date,  were prices to                                                              
fluctuate above and below $40 a barrel.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  asked  for further  information  about  "how  to                                                              
handle the  impact of the  two for one  as far as  expectations of                                                              
use".                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:37:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  understood the modeling  included an  estimate that                                                              
"70-percent of the amount of the investment would be reclaimed".                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  asked  therefore  whether  a 40  percent  or  90                                                              
percent usage  would significantly  impact  the modeling.  The two                                                              
for  one  recoupment  language  was suggested  by  Dr.  Pedro  van                                                              
Meurs,  a consultant  to the  Governor,  and added  to the  Senate                                                              
Resources bill  "late in the day".  While it was considered  to be                                                              
"a well  crafted concept",  its impacts  have not been  thoroughly                                                              
discussed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  replied that "sensitivity  figures" in  this regard                                                              
could be developed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:38:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Base Allowance                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        · Governor's bill                                                                                                       
          *Up to $73M standard deduction                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · House CS                                                                                                              
          *Up to $12M credit (= $60M deduction)                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Senate CS                                                                                                             
          *5000 barrel plan                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson  stated  that the base  allowance  formula in CSSB  305                                                              
was referred  to as  the 5,000  barrel plan.  The bill  included a                                                              
production per  day formula, factored  at 20 percent. As  a result                                                              
of this  formula, a percentage of  each day's production  would be                                                              
tax  free  until  production  exceeded   30,000  barrels.  On  low                                                              
production days,  the allowance percent would be  higher than that                                                              
of high production days.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson   noted  that  the   bill  incorrectly   specified  an                                                              
allowance  for up  to 55,000  barrels  a day.  The correct  amount                                                              
would be 30,000  barrels a day.  That would be the point  at which                                                              
the   deduction  would   be  disallowed.   The  Senate   Resources                                                              
Committee  adopted  an  amendment  that lowered  the  amount  from                                                              
55,000   to    30,000   barrels;   however,   the    change   had,                                                              
inadvertently, not been reflected in the committee substitute.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson  communicated  that the maximum  100 percent  deduction                                                              
would be  allowable at a 5,000  barrel per day or  less production                                                              
level,  as depicted  in  the "Illustration  of  base allowance  at                                                              
various production levels" graph on page 16.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson  stated that  while  CSSB  305 "provides  a  deduction                                                              
based on  production", SB 305 would  provide a $73  million dollar                                                              
standard  deduction.  The  House   followed  SB  305's  lead,  but                                                              
substituted   a  credit   for   the  specified   dollar   standard                                                              
deduction.  Thus, the  20 percent  credit rate  included CSHB  488                                                              
would allow a  maximum credit of $12 million  or approximately $60                                                              
million in standard deductions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  understood that  the allowance language  should be                                                              
corrected to 30,000 barrels rather than 55,000 in CSSB 305.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson affirmed a correction would be required.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  understood that this  change was the result  of an                                                              
amendment adopted by the Senate Resources Committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson affirmed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson noted  that the reason for the  barrel reduction was                                                              
that,  under the  formula, any  amount between  30,000 and  55,000                                                              
barrels a day would result in "a nonsense formulation".                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:41:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Base Allowance Sunset                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        · Governor's bill                                                                                                       
          *No sunset                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · House CS                                                                                                              
          *Sunsets 3/31/2016                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        · Senate CS                                                                                                             
          *Sunsets 12/31/2013                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson reviewed the base allowance terminate dates.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:42:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 16                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Illustration of base allowance at various production levels                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     [This  graph depicted  the percentage  of allowance  provided                                                              
     at various  daily barrel production  volumes under  CSSB 305.                                                              
     A 100  percent deduction would  be allowed on a  5,000 barrel                                                              
     or less  per day production.  No allowance would  be provided                                                              
     when production exceeded 30,000 barrels a day.]                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wilson reviewed the graph.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:42:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 17                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Base Allowance, or Credit                                                                                                  
     Annual Oil Severance Tax (Millions of 2005 Dollars)                                                                        
     Low Volume Scenario, $20, $40, and $60 per bbl                                                                             
     Governor's  Bill  as Written,  with  House Credit,  and  with                                                              
     Senate Deduction Provisions                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     [This  chart depicted  how  the base  allowances and  credits                                                              
     included in SB  305, CSHB 488, and CSSB 305  would affect the                                                              
     Severance Tax paid to the State at $20, $40, and $60 per                                                                   
     barrel prices for the years 2005 through 2030.]                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson stated  that this  graph  depicted the  affect of  the                                                              
base allowance/credits  on the Severance Tax under  the provisions                                                              
of the bills at  three different price levels. At  all three price                                                              
ranges  SB 305  would provide  the lowest  Severance Tax  revenue.                                                              
The Senate  and House  bill revenues  would be  aligned after  the                                                              
year 2016  because the base  allowance provisions  would terminate                                                              
at that time.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:43:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nienhuis  noted  that at  $20  a  barrel  the impact  of  the                                                              
allowances  would  be insignificant.  However  at  $40, the  House                                                              
credit  would increase  revenues by  13 percent  and the  Senate's                                                              
deductions  would  increase  revenues  by  18  percent  over  that                                                              
resulting  from  SB 305,  which  does  not  include any  of  these                                                              
provisions. At  $60, the  House credit would  be six  percent more                                                              
and the Senate deduction would be eight percent more.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:44:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman suggested  that a table be provided  which did not                                                              
include  other things  such as SB  305's "$14.6  million per  year                                                              
into perpetuity"  credit or the House or Senate  bill's deductions                                                              
or  credits. For  example, one  of  the concerns  raised is  that,                                                              
under CSSB  305, capping  the barrel  allowance at 30,000  barrels                                                              
per day as  opposed to the  original 55,000 barrels per  day might                                                              
have   "created  more   of  an   impact  on   industry  than   was                                                              
anticipated".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  thought  that the  chart on page  17 might  address                                                              
Senator  Stedman's  concerns.  As   depicted  on  the  chart,  the                                                              
provisions  of CSHB  488 appear  to have  the same  effect on  the                                                              
severance  tax  as SB  305;  however,  when the  House  provisions                                                              
expired in the year  2016, the affect would resemble  that of CSSB
305. "The point  is that the effect of the Senate's  provisions is                                                              
very very  small." When the  House credits expired  and "basically                                                              
no deductions  at all" were to  occur, the dollar volumes  at that                                                              
point would  be very close to those  of CSSB 305. Only  a "handful                                                              
of very small  companies" producing less than 5,000  barrels a day                                                              
would benefit from  CSSB 305's 5,000 barrel a  day deduction. "The                                                              
dollar amount of  that" deduction is fairly small."  This might be                                                              
more apparent were the graph designed differently.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:46:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  acknowledged that  after the  year 2017  when the                                                              
allowance  provisions  of  both  the House  and  Senate  committee                                                              
substitutes  expired, the  two graph lines  would trend  together.                                                              
At that point this  would be "a null issue".  However, the concern                                                              
is that  perhaps CSSB  305 "took  too much off  the table  in this                                                              
particular  area".  This  Committee  should  further  review  this                                                              
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:47:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green understood  therefore that the concern  was whether                                                              
30,000  barrels  or  55,000  barrels   would  be  the  appropriate                                                              
number.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman affirmed.  The concern was that  this change "took                                                              
too  much off  the  table". There  might  not  be much  difference                                                              
between  the impacts  of  CSSB 305's  barrel  allowance and  there                                                              
being "no allowance at all".                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:48:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  stated that having this information  would assist                                                              
in determining whether including an allowance was necessary.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson acknowledged  that the  information being  reviewed                                                              
does  not  provide   that  information.  Such   information  would                                                              
provide a good visual comparison.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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     Payment Safe Harbor                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · Governor's bill                                                                                                       
          *90% with annual true-up                                                                                              
          *No interest if 90% test met                                                                                          
        · House CS                                                                                                              
          *90% with annual true-up                                                                                              
          *Interest due on true-up amount                                                                                       
          *Penalty if 90% not met                                                                                               
        · Senate CS                                                                                                             
          *95% with quarterly true-up                                                                                           
          *No interest if 95% test met                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson  stated  that  unlike  current  production  law  which                                                              
required producers  to pay 100 percent  of the tax, the  PPT would                                                              
provide producers  the option to  estimate such things  as capital                                                              
expenditures. CSSB  305 would allow  a producer to pay  95 percent                                                              
of  his tax  each month  with  a calendar  quarterly  true up.  No                                                              
interest would be due were those conditions met.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms Wilson  stated that both  SB 305 and  CSHB 488 would  require a                                                              
90 percent  safe harbor monthly  payment. However, CSHB  488 would                                                              
impose penalties  if less than  90 percent  was paid and  it would                                                              
charge interest  on the annual  true up  amount. SB 305  would not                                                              
impose interest if less than a 90 percent safe harbor was paid.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:51:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 19                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Spill Surcharges                                                                                                           
     AS 43.55.201, AS 43.55.300                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        · Governor's bill                                                                                                       
          * No change to total 5 cents                                                                                          
          * No change to split (2/3)                                                                                            
        · House CS                                                                                                              
          * No change to total 5 cents                                                                                          
          * Changes split to 1/4                                                                                                
        · Senate CS                                                                                                             
          * Increases total to 6 cents                                                                                          
          * Changes split to 1/5                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson  stated that  while  SB  305 would  continue  existing                                                              
spill  surcharges,  the  House and  Senate  committee  substitutes                                                              
made changes in  that regard. CSSB 305 would  increase the current                                                              
five cent  per barrel fee  to six cents  per barrel.  In addition,                                                              
it would change  the current split, which was  three cents payable                                                              
and  two cents  suspended,  to five  cents  payable  and one  cent                                                              
suspended. CSHB  488 would continue  the five cent per  barrel fee                                                              
but would  change the  split to  four cents  payable and  one cent                                                              
suspended.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde asked  Senator Stedman,  who  was a  member of  the                                                              
Senate Resources  Committee, what prompted the decision  to change                                                              
the split.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman   deferred  to  Co-Chair  Wilken   who  had  more                                                              
historical knowledge about the spill surcharge fee split.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken   explained  that  the  five  cents   per  barrel                                                              
currently  collected was  deposited  "into a  pot":  three of  the                                                              
five cents was  utilized to support department  operations and the                                                              
remaining two cents  supported clean-up activities.  When the fund                                                              
balance reached  $50 million in  1995, "the two cent  infusion was                                                              
halted".  Since  that  time, the  Department  has  "whittled"  the                                                              
money  down and  the pot  is currently  empty.  This effort  would                                                              
assist in  reconstituting  the spill mitigation  fund and  provide                                                              
money  to the  Department to  support  prevention, education,  and                                                              
response efforts.  These funds have  commonly been referred  to as                                                              
"4/70" funds.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken was  unsure why the decision was  made to increase                                                              
the fee to six cents.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson communicated  that the  Senate Resources  Committee                                                              
made that decision.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  understood  the  mechanism,  but  was  seeking  an                                                              
explanation for the increase to six cents.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson,  also a member  of the Senate Resources  Committee,                                                              
added  that this  money  was reflected  in  the State's  Operating                                                              
Budget. Several  departments which had  utilized the 4/70  fund in                                                              
the  past,  were  now  seeking   general  fund  money  to  support                                                              
operations   the  4/70   fund   had  previously   supported.   The                                                              
reconstitution  of  this  account   would  support  a  variety  of                                                              
funding needs.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  stated that further  information on  the decision                                                              
to increase the fee to six cents could be provided.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:55:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 20                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Spill Fees                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     [This graph depicts the affect of the one penny change in                                                                  
     the collected Spill Prevention Fee amount under the Low                                                                    
     Volume scenario and the High Volume Scenarios.]                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson stated  that  the collection  of  one  penny a  barrel                                                              
would  equate  to  approximately  three million  dollars  a  year.                                                              
Under the  Low Volume  scenario, the  one penny  fee would  end in                                                              
the  year 2030.  The  High Volume  scenario  fee collection  would                                                              
continue. She  noted that  the rises in  the High Volume  scenario                                                              
line depicted small new fields coming on line.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman noted  that even  though the  PPT discussion  has                                                              
concentrated on billions  of dollars, it should be  noted that the                                                              
impact of  this penny  a barrel  should not  be discounted  as the                                                              
money generated would really add up.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson defined  the Spill Fees chart as  being "multi-use",                                                              
as it  could represent  the affect  of any  one penny movement  in                                                              
price.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:56:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 21                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Other differences                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        · Credits refundable?                                                                                                   
          * Up to $10M in House CS only                                                                                         
        · Abandonment                                                                                                           
          * Governor's bill: no specific provision                                                                              
          * House CS: No credit available                                                                                       
      * Senate CS: No credit available for old production                                                                       
        · Catastrophic oil spill expenses not deductible under                                                                  
          House CS                                                                                                              
        · SB 185 credits: extended 10 years in House CS                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson   state  that  this  information   identified  notable                                                              
differences  between the  three bill versions.  It also  addressed                                                              
questions  that  have been  raised  such  as which  bill(s)  would                                                              
refund credits  and how  they addressed abandonment,  catastrophic                                                              
oil  spill  expenses   and  previous  petroleum   tax  legislation                                                              
credits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:58:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 22                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Private Royalties                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        · State and federal royalty interests are tax free so a                                                                 
          producer typically pays tax on 7/8ths of its                                                                          
          production from these leases.                                                                                         
        · Private royalty interests are not tax free, so                                                                        
          producer typically pays tax on 8/8ths of its                                                                          
          production from these leases.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson stated  that State  and  federal royalty  interests                                                              
were tax  exempt under the  current production tax  statute. Thus,                                                              
a  producer  would pay  tax  on,  for instance,  7/8ths  of  their                                                              
production from a State or federal lease.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Dickinson  communicated   however   that  "private   royalty                                                              
interests  are  not tax  free".  Therefore,  a producer  having  a                                                              
private  royalty they  must  pay  a production  tax  on 8/8ths  of                                                              
their production.  Therefore, the issue is that  the law specified                                                              
an exception  for State  and federal  leases  but not for  private                                                              
leases.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:00:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 23                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Private Royalties                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        · Existing law authorizes producer to pass production on                                                                
          to royalty owner                                                                                                      
          * Royalty owner bears no responsibility as a tax                                                                      
               payer.                                                                                                           
          * More difficult to calculate under PPT                                                                               
       · CS establishes new tax rate on existing private                                                                        
          royalty leases, (excludes private lessor's royalty                                                                    
          interests from PPT)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  pointed out  that existing law,  which is  a matter                                                              
of public  policy and  does not  affect the  State's actual  take,                                                              
specified that  "when in a  private royalty situation,  the lessee                                                              
is settling  up with  a lessor  and paying  their royalties,  they                                                              
can  deduct  severance  taxes  that  they  pay.  The  producer  is                                                              
responsible  for the  severance tax  but they  can deduct  it from                                                              
the  settlement they  make  to the  royalty  owner  … The  royalty                                                              
owner bears  no responsibility"  to the State  as a tax  payer, as                                                              
the  production  tax was  applicable  only  to the  producer.  The                                                              
problem is  that under the  provisions of  the PPT, the  tax would                                                              
be on  net value  rather than  the gross  value at  "the point  of                                                              
production  at each  point". Thus,  the  tax on  a lease  specific                                                              
private royalty  value would  be more  difficult to calculate,  as                                                              
all  "exploration interests"  of  the producer  would be  factored                                                              
in.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson also  noted that currently, "the  royalty owner gets                                                              
their  settlement free  and clear  of any  costs". However,  under                                                              
the  PPT, upstream  costs would  be  deductible. So,  what was  "a                                                              
relatively  simple matter"  under existing  production laws  would                                                              
be "controversial" under the PPT.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  emphasized  however, that,  even though this  issue                                                              
is of importance  to private royalty  owners, it does not  "have a                                                              
large  affect  on  State  revenues". Even  though  the  number  of                                                              
private  royalty   leases  might  increase,   "statistically"  the                                                              
number  of private  leases would  continue to  be a small  segment                                                              
overall. However, in  order to address this issue,  "the amount of                                                              
the pass  through"  could be adjusted  to address  the impact  the                                                              
PPT would have on private royalty leases.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  stated that in response  to this concern,  CSSB 305                                                              
incorporated  "a new  rate on  existing  private royalty  leases".                                                              
Because the  PPT would  be based  on gross value  at the  point of                                                              
production  instead  of  net,  CSSB   305  decreased  the  private                                                              
royalty tax rate  to five percent on all existing  leases with the                                                              
exception  of Cook  Inlet where  the  rate would  be 1.5  percent.                                                              
This new  tax rate would be  easy to calculate and  should address                                                              
industry concerns.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson advised  however,  that  two issues  remained.  The                                                              
first being  that "private  royalty owners  are excluded  from the                                                              
PPT", and  the second being  that the PPT  does not  "address what                                                              
would happen" with  future private royalty leases.  While CSSB 305                                                              
included  language   requesting  that  the  Commissioner   of  the                                                              
Department of Revenue  issue a recommendation in  this regard, "it                                                              
doesn't  say how that  would become  law". The  uncertainty  as to                                                              
what  the  tax rate  would  be  would  be of  concern  to  someone                                                              
holding  a private  royalty interest  or  when a  lease was  being                                                              
renegotiated. Currently the tax in these cases is zero.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:03:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  asked that a "real  world example" of  this issue                                                              
be provided in a subsequent meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson agreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:04:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Private Royalties - Settlement                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        · New Formula for Settlement in Gov's Bill:                                                                             
          * Total tax paid by producer/Total non-royalty bbls *                                                                 
               Private royalty bbls                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        · New Formula for Settlement in CS:                                                                                     
          * Total tax paid by producer/total gross value at the                                                                 
          point of production * Private royalty bbls                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  stated that another  private royalty  concern would                                                              
be  to  cement a  formula  on  other things  such  as  "overriding                                                              
royalty interests"  and situations in which the  royalty tax might                                                              
be unclear.  SB 305 addressed this  issue by including  "a formula                                                              
for  allocating this  share". After  working with  the Alaska  Oil                                                              
and Gas  Association (AOGA),  a new formula  was included  in both                                                              
the  House and  Senate  committee  substitutes. This  formula  was                                                              
acceptable to AOGA  and to the Administration.  The formula, which                                                              
would be  a "fair  allocation" based  upon the  total tax  and the                                                              
royalty  and non-royalty  variables,  "would allow  the lessee  to                                                              
pass on to the  lessor a fair amount of the  tax". Further details                                                              
in this regard could be provided.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:05:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson distributed  a three  page handout  [copy on  file]                                                              
which  updated  information  regarding the  current  and  proposed                                                              
Point of  Production process  in Prudhoe  Bay as discussed  during                                                              
the April  first PPT  hearing. The  diagram on  the first  page of                                                              
the handout  depicted the current  point of production  in Prudhoe                                                              
Bay. Well fluids  were sent to a separation facility,  referred to                                                              
as a  flow station  or gathering  center. One  of the  "streams of                                                              
oil"  emitting   from  that  facility   flowed  through   a  Lease                                                              
Automatic  Custody Transfer  (LACT)  Meter into  the Trans  Alaska                                                              
Pipeline (TAPS).  The point at which  the oil moved from  the LACT                                                              
Meter to TAPS  is currently recognized as the  point of production                                                              
for the oil  tax as well as  the point of production  for royalty.                                                              
The  handwritten   notation   on  the  diagram   "COTP  Point   of                                                              
Production  for Oil"  was added  between  the Separation  Facility                                                              
and the  LACT Meter  point to  specify where  oil utilized  on the                                                              
North  Slope  for  production  purposes   was  taxed.  This  would                                                              
address the  crude oil  topping plant  (COTP) process  that "takes                                                              
and refines  oil" and, like a  gas station, provided it  to trucks                                                              
working  on the  North Slope.  The  COTP is  currently defined  in                                                              
statute as  a point  of production because  the oil  was processed                                                              
and transited through a metered sales line.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  continued. The fluids  flowing from  the separation                                                              
facility  also flow  to a  Central Gas  Facility (CGF).  Currently                                                              
the inlet to the  CGF is considered to be the  Point of Production                                                              
for gas.  A "series of  processes" occur  within the CGF,  and all                                                              
products processed  in the CGF are  considered gas. One  stream of                                                              
gas  emitting from  the CGF  is  referred to  natural gas  liquids                                                              
(NGLS). NGL  is transited to  the LACT Meter  and is added  to the                                                              
oil stream which  is sent through TAPS. "Those  NGLS are currently                                                              
defined  as gas  even  though, in  other  many  respects they  are                                                              
treated as oil."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson stated  that another  stream of  gas emitting  from                                                              
the CGF could be  divided into two streams. One  of those streams,                                                              
amounting to  approximately 8.5 billion  cubic feet a day,  is re-                                                              
injected  into the  ground and  as "a  consequence" is  considered                                                              
"to never have been  produced". It is viewed as  residual gas. The                                                              
other stream is  "the gas that is sold". There  are currently only                                                              
a limited  number of uses  for that gas  on the North  Slope: some                                                              
is  used  at  nearby  TAPS  pump stations  and  some  is  used  by                                                              
industry on the North Slope.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  reviewed the  Point of  Production proposed  in the                                                              
PPT. Three changes  would occur to the current  process. The first                                                              
would  be that oil  used on  the North  Slope would  no longer  be                                                              
taxed. "Practically  all" of the  20 oil and gas  producing states                                                              
in  the United  States  do not  tax  gas used  to  the process  of                                                              
producing oil and  approximately one third of those  states do not                                                              
tax oil  used to  produce oil. The  decision to  not tax  this oil                                                              
was made  in consideration of the  overall profit the  State would                                                              
realize under  the PPT. In summary,  the COTP point  of production                                                              
for Oil was eliminated.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson communicated  that  the  second difference  in  the                                                              
Point  of Production  process, as  proposed in  the PPT, would  be                                                              
the  elimination of  the point  of production  before gas  entered                                                              
the  CGF.  "That point  would  be  after  the fluids  have  moved"                                                              
through the  CGF. The new  point of production  for NGLS  added to                                                              
oil and  moving through TAPS  would be  the LACT Meter.  Under the                                                              
PPT, those  NGLS would  be defined  as oil. This  would not  be an                                                              
issue, as  the PPT would  simplify the  tax system by  taxing both                                                              
oil and gas at the same rate.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  pointed out  that  under  the  PPT, the  point  of                                                              
production  for  Gas  would  be  downstream  of  the  CGF.  It  is                                                              
important  to note  that other new  facilities  like the CGF  that                                                              
smaller producers  might build would  be upstream of the  point of                                                              
production. Those  expenses would be considered  qualified capital                                                              
expenditures which  would qualify for  a 20 percent  credit. Under                                                              
CSSB 305,  every dollar spent  to operate those  facilities "would                                                              
be reduced  25 cents".  The effort  would be  to treat  processing                                                              
activities  occurring on  the North  Slope  like other  activities                                                              
that are "important for finding, developing and producing gas".                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson reiterated  that  the point  of  production of  gas                                                              
would be  upstream of  the gas treatment  plant, as  that activity                                                              
was viewed  to be a  component of the  transportation and  sale of                                                              
gas associated with a gas pipeline.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson addressed  the Goal information on the  last page of                                                              
the three page  handout. The PPT endeavored to  support two goals.                                                              
One  was "to  simplify definitions  so  we won't  have low  value-                                                              
added  conflicts" over  such things  as what  would be  considered                                                              
gas  and  what   would  be  considered  oil  and   what  would  be                                                              
considered  a  gas  processing  plant.  The  second  goal  was  to                                                              
"incentivize  all  production  activity"  through such  things  as                                                              
moving   processing   activities   upstream   of  the   point   of                                                              
production. One  area in which new  conflict might arise  would be                                                              
the  situation where  a  single  plant might  be  built which  had                                                              
"both  gas  treatment and  gas  processing  in it".  The  conflict                                                              
could  arise  in determining  "where  one  process stops  and  the                                                              
other begins".  However, the  belief is  that the PPT  definitions                                                              
would  address that  and other  situations.  Overall, the  process                                                              
would be simplified and production would be incentivized.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman   asked  that  the  concept  of   making  credits                                                              
available on gas processing be further addressed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green reviewed the schedule for future PPT hearings.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The bill was HELD in Committee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

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